What's Next? The Ultimate Guide to Finding Your Purpose with Lauren St. George

Zach: [00:00:00] do you ever wanna make a change in your life? You don't know what it is. You don't know how to do it. You don't even know where to start, but you know you wanna make a change and you just don't know how.

Jeremy: To help you figure it out. We've partnered with Lauren St. George because she has the answer to the question. What's next?

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Jeremy: Zach, this keeps coming up on our show, on the shows that we keep going on to talk about all the different ways that you can improve your life.

The idea of living 1% better today than you did yesterday. Just the, the small incremental changes, right? We talk about it all the time, and , it's something that's been bothering me because, you know, I go to the gym and I lift the weights and I see how much I lifted last time, and I go, oh, I could probably lift a little more of that this [00:01:00] time.

Let's, let's up. That one. That's easy to measure. Right. I can drink X amount of water every day and I can drink a little bit more tomorrow. I can run a little farther, I can do a couple more pushups. Like those things I can measure, but like the be better, right? Like how do you quantify? How do you know at the end of the day that today you did, you know, 1% or whatever percentage you want to hang your hat on?

How do you know you did better today than you did yesterday?

Zach: Well, just that like it's, it's just a little bit more, it's not about 1%. It's not about, Really any quantity, , that you can put a number on. It's just about a little bit more than yesterday, and it doesn't even have to be a big change. So we posted this a while ago.

There's like a little formula that if you do 1.00 to the 365th power right little math for you, you get 1.00. Zero change. No change whatsoever. If you [00:02:00] do 1.01, like the teeniest tiniest of little change to the 365th power, you get like 37.7 something, right? So like massive change from just a little itty bitty change every single day, right?

So there's no right, it's, it's just a little bit better than he did before on one thing. It doesn't have to be everything, right? So you could do. A carbon copy of the day before, except you have 250 more steps or a carbon copy of the day before and you spend an extra 30 seconds meditating.

Jeremy: See. Okay, so that's the thing I'm, I'm getting hung up on, right, because. How do you track it? All right. Like, like you and I, we do a lot of things. I think. I think you certainly do a lot of things just by default now. Like it's just the way you live your life. So you don't need to like keep track of, I went to the gym today, I lifted this much.

Zach: Oh no, I still have to, I still keep track of all the

Jeremy: track of everything. Water, calories, macros, you, you measure everything.

Zach: Not all of that. So like where [00:03:00] I need to measure in order to make a gain, I'm gonna do it. So like I've got all my food dialed in for the most part, right? So my 80% of eating healthy, I know what that is right there. There's nothing I have to measure anymore cause I know exactly what it is. However, when I'm lifting weights or something like that, well, yeah, you do need to measure that because you need to know what you lifted last week you, because that number's changing all the time.

Right? . The time that I get up and go to the gym, that doesn't change anymore, ? That's a habit. That's a thing. What I eat, I eat pretty much the same thing all week long. The things that are changing on a consistent basis, those are the things that I have to measure. So

Jeremy: so for example, this is so, like, I want to be a better dad, right? Like nothing means more to me than being a better dad.

Zach: you should probably just hand over all your responsibilities to your wife.

Jeremy: Done. That was easy.

Zach: Yep. That, that, that's how we win.

Jeremy: But how would you, you wanna be a better dad? How do you measure? I was a, uh, you know, a 0.011, you know, [00:04:00] whatever percent better dad today than I was yesterday. How do you measure stuff like that where you can't put it in a bottle, mark it on the line, put it on a scale, put it on a bar, like the stuff you can't measure.

How do you know you're doing better?

Zach: Hmm. So I would just, I would chalk it up to things like, Did I communicate enough with her? Right? Spend an extra 10 minutes talking to your kid,

Jeremy: Mm-hmm.

Zach: like listening deeply, listening, like ask questions, get it out of 'em. And even when they're like, you know what, I don't wanna talk to you. I wanna go away. And she'll be like, just gimme 10 minutes.

That's all I'm asking. I'll give you $20. Just talk. Right? Pull it out of them,

Jeremy: So then the next day, would it only cost you $10? You've already like there, there's your measurement right there.

Zach: Yeah. Um, or, you know, something like making sure that they have good food in their stomach, right? I mean, I'm fighting this with my daughter right now where she's like, she either won't eat at all and then she's like, I, I don't know why I have a headache and why I got dizzy during chop class. I'm like, [00:05:00] oh my God.

Preteen women are just this, this is terrible. So, I mean, like the little things, right? Make sure they eat a little bit better than they did yesterday. Make sure you say I love you more than you did yesterday.

Jeremy: Mm-hmm. And that's really the key to all of this stuff, right? Is finding what is the big North star? What is the goal that I'm trying to chase? And breaking it down into. The measurable things, it's, it's finding those little ways to be able to track your progress so that whether or not you truly are a better dad by the end of the week or the end of the month or whatever, you can look back and look at all the effort you put in and hope that it pays dividends down the road.

Zach: Well, you also have to take a deep look at yourself too and figure out. Where the problem areas are, right. So to be a better dad, I'm pretty good at getting her fed right. I'm, I mean, she gets hangry. So I know, I know how to get food in her face whenever she's starting to cop an attitude.[00:06:00] , I tell her I love you all freaking day long.

Like she probably hears I love you 120 times a day in various forms. You know, love you, love you kiddo. Like just all over the place, , but where do I fail? Where do I struggle? ? For me, every now and again, I lose my temper at something, ? Whether it be work or just trying to, you know, fix something around the house.

And when I get angry like that, it has an impact on her. She's really sensitive. So for me, getting that, , little teeny, tiny bit better is. Don't have an outburst. Make sure that if I'm getting frustrated with something, I go walk away. I take a walk, I go do something else. ? That's me being a better dad.

So every time I can avoid one of those situations, that's a little bit, you really can't quantify those, but it has an impact and you're still gonna fail. You're still gonna blow off the handle occasionally. , But that's a little bit better. So you really do need to take a deep look. Like if you just wanna be a better dad, you need to figure out where you need to [00:07:00] improve, right?

If you're already telling your kid you love them, if you're already shoving healthy food in their face, if you're already getting them outside for sunlight and activities, like where are you failing? Like if you have that want to be a better parent, why? What is it that you're doing that you consider that you need improvement in being a better parent?

Jeremy: Mm-hmm. I think a lot of times, and, and I think this is the case for not only, you know, being a better parent or whatever, but a lot of times we go seeking. The thing that's missing to be better when a lot of times I, I've found anyways. That it's more about letting go of the stuff that's getting in the way of being a better parent.

I mean, how many times do you, you know, pick up your phone and, and scroll endlessly when that's 10 minutes? You could be talking to your kid or your spouse or working on that thing you always said you're gonna get done, or , writing that book or whatever goal you've set for yourself, but you let stuff get in the way the, this baggage that you hang onto.

And so I think for so many people, It really comes down to letting [00:08:00] go of the obstacles so that you can focus on the things that really matter,

Zach: There's this one post that I see all the time when I am doom scrolling. Um, and it, it's like a quote from Lamborghini. And they say, oh, we don't have TV advertisements because our target audience doesn't watch tv.

Jeremy: right?

Zach: And that one, that one like always hits me where it's like, huh?

, that's interesting. , there's so many moments in our life where Doom scrolling, watching tv. You could literally be doing that little teeny, tiny bit better. Instead of watching TV instead of doom scrolling for five minutes, then you can go back to watching tv. You can go back to doing the other things, but like, take five minutes, go do something that's gonna make you better at whatever it is you wanna be better at. Or you compensate and you, you lose five minutes of sleep because you went and did the thing you want to do for five minutes. Then you watch the normal amount of Netflix and then you go to bed a little bit later and then you're a little bit grumpy tomorrow and you know that

Jeremy: so on, and so [00:09:00] on and so on.

You know, one of the ways that people get help with measuring some of these immeasurable things is they turn to a coach, they turn to somebody who can help them figure out how to measure all these things so that they can reach those goals. One person they can turn to is Lauren St. George. We partnered with her for this episode because she runs a program called What's Next. And Zach, you had a chance to talk to her a few weeks ago. And the conversation really began

with figuring out what it is that helps people go from stuck to reaching out to help from someone like her.

Lauren: people come to me, they're either feeling stuck, , and don't really know what they wanna do, but they know they wanna make some changes.

, or they're coming to me with a lot of ideas but don't know where to begin. , they can't see the forest for the trees. , or it's a mindset thing. , they are afraid to take that first step, um, need to work through some of the obstacles and, and mental blocks they have. But in many cases they have more than one of those things, right?

They feel stuck and they're afraid to take the first step. So, , that's where I come in.

Zach: I love making those changes in my life. But, , when I first started [00:10:00] making those changes, they were not easy, they were not fun, they were kind of painful.

So how do people feel before they've made a change? Like what are some of the things that drive them to going, that's it, I've had enough, I need to do something about this.

Like,

Lauren: I think it's, if something's been playing on your mind long enough, you know, and you just have that, that, that's that irritant and it's, it's scratching in the back of your head. It has to get to a tipping point.

People don't come into my life until they've hit that tipping point. , usually it's around like a major, a major transition in their life. Right? So, they're an empty nester. Their kids have gone off to school, uh, you know, to college. Now what they've gone through a divorce or they're, uh, they wanna make a significant career change.

So it's usually around some major point in your life is when you're gonna hit that tipping point is when you're gonna really sort of step back and, and evaluate as. Is this really what I wanna be doing for the rest of my life? I think we've globally gone through a tipping point, , with the pandemic, and it's forced a lot of people to think about [00:11:00] really what, what's important to me and what, what do I wanna do next?

, and so I think, , there's a lot more people probably more actively asking that question right now. So I think it, it's a culmination of some kind of, , major transition or major. , events happening in your life, , , that gets you to that tipping point of going, enough is enough, and now I've gotta seek something to help me get out of , wherever I am.

, and people do that in a, in a variety of places.

Zach: every single day I'm looking for what can I do a little bit better today?

Mm-hmm. What can I do a little bit better tomorrow? , and, you know, that's like the incremental improvement, but this sounds like it's more of a transformational improvement. Like there's, there's no goal around it, and you really have to find out what that goal is. Is

Lauren: that right? It is. So, , what's next is a, is a six week program done in a cohort.

, and why that's powerful is because you'll have typically four to seven people. , all that have been vetted. I've, I've, I've had personally had conversations with, to make sure they're all in the right [00:12:00] sort of. Starting point. , , and what it immediately does is there's accountability. You're gonna show up for yourself and you're gonna show up for the people on the call.

And for some people that's just, you know, that's an amazing thing. Cause you've, you've chosen to invest, you know, six weeks of your time to think about yourself. You know, when's the last time you've had the opportunity to do that? Cause our lives are busy. , , the group situation also brings with it, people are now coming in with different experiences, um, and expertise and life experiences.

And so , as much as you share, you can get back from the group because now you have multiple brains working on a similar challenge. And I always believe that if you keep asking the same question, you're gonna keep getting the same answers so you can break out of that. One way to break out of that is having different brains in the room who can say, have you thought about this?

, the other is, it's a community. So, you know, over six weeks you really get to know each other well because we do two calls a week. , which means that for a lot of people, they find that they're not doing this alone. And the way that they're feeling, they're not unique in that. [00:13:00] And that there is a community of people who are going through, it may be different challenges, but they're also starting in a similar place of feeling stuck or unsure of what they wanna do next.

And so I think that's empowering as well.

Zach: One of the things that we talk about on the show is like vulnerability and working with other people and voicing, you know, what's going through your head just, or, or, or the issues that you're, you're facing because once you do that, Other people or other solutions just show up.

So I I, I love that it's, , community based and you can talk through it like that. , I'm just trying to imagine myself in there going what's next? Mm-hmm. And looking at a blank piece of paper. Um, well, yeah, I, I have to imagine like, some people are just like, I don't know. So how do you, get people to a point where they even have an idea of what's

Lauren: next?

Well, the first week what we spend time doing is really reacquainting people with themselves. , life has a way of, of adding things [00:14:00] on. , your colleagues, your boss, your family, your kids, your parents, the all, you know, all of that. You're taking on other people's things, which not a bad thing at all.

I mean, you know, building a, a home with the spouses. Is a, a mutual goal that you're setting, but along the way, we forget about the things that are important to us or we put them on the back burner and that oftentimes is the kind of scratchy thing in the back of your head going. I wish I had, and I don't wanna regret this one day that I didn't try X, Y, Z.

So we really spend the first week helping people to get, , reacquainted with what's important to them, what their strengths are, help out the outside world, sees them, as well as how they see themselves. Mm-hmm. Um, and I think that reminds people. \ , of what's important to them because I believe that everyone coming into the program actually knows the answer.

They sometimes just need help to kind of, you know, see, see between , the weeds, I guess. , and to reimagine what that could be. Yeah. Um, so that's where we start and then we get to a point of [00:15:00] going, okay, if this is you, this is what's important to you.

, what's your big question? Week two is all about like answering your big question and, and people will sometimes come in thinking that they wanna work on one thing and, and they'll change. , but again, I think if you're asking the right question, then we can then spend time over the next few weeks.

Really, , ideating and brainstorming and using the collective genius to help you come up with some new ideas, , to then start making decisions and whittling down until they know what they wanna try next. And it's called What's Next because it's, It's, what's the next thing you wanna do?

It's not what you wanna do for the rest of your life. Right? And yeah, so sometimes getting out of being stuck is do something , and you may find that that's something you've been thinking about is, is not the right thing. But by getting momentum, by starting on a path by. Even just opening your eyes up to the possibilities, like you said earlier, all of a sudden these things start presenting themselves.

So when you're ready to start looking for your next vehicle, and all of a sudden whatever make and model you're looking at, [00:16:00] everyone's driving it on the road. You're like, why have I missed this? It's just your eyes are now open to it. And so I think that, you know, there's a lot of ahas that happen for people over the six weeks because now they're spending time thinking about themselves, , and they're opening themselves up to more opportunities.

And so, you know, what they end up doing, coming out of the program is the first thing. Hopefully for a lot of people, that's the right thing. They're gonna spend some, some time on that. But for others it's just about getting that action and getting one step in front of the next, , to really get on the right road.

Zach: What is it about today's day and age where we don't take care of ourselves first? , we spend so much time taking care of kids, spouses, people at work, other people, but we really do neglect ourselves.

, so often. Why do you think that is? , and how do we fix that?

Lauren: I think this. There's this perception that putting yourself first can be selfish, and that's being selfish is a, is a negative thing. , but you know, if you've [00:17:00] been on a flight going anywhere, the first thing they tell you is if trouble happens, put your, your oxygen mask on first.

Mm-hmm. I think we're really bad at putting our oxygen masks on first. , and if we can shift that mindset to if I'm healthy, if, if I, uh, am mentally well, I can help people so much better in my life if I spend the time, you know, focusing on me. So, , the world is busy, life is busy. We've got, we've been pulled in so many directions and, and we, for some reason, we put ourselves to the bottom of the list.

I saw something going around social media, uh, a little while ago. I'm sure it's done a few go arounds, but it said, write a list of all the things you love. And at the end it said, I bet you didn't put yourself on the list. And that's, to me is a really powerful thing. Like how often do we, , think about ourselves first and, and believe that that's not a negative or a selfish thing to do.

Zach: Yeah, I know it took me a long time. , To really recognize that, to the point where I've a, I've, I've said this on the show a few times. I have a little, I have a [00:18:00] picture of myself as a seven-year-old in my house. And like, I literally talked to that kid and just be like, Hey, you're, you're gonna be okay buddy.

, and I know it's me and I'm talking to me and I'm talking to that inner child. So how do, how does somebody shift that, make that shift? Because I have to imagine. That making the shift from not taking care of ourselves to taking care of ourselves first can be a little bit painful, a lot of guilt, , things like that.

, and I'm sure that , you walk people through how important it is. So, , what are some of the common things you see, , when people are making that shift?

Lauren: I think a lot of fears come up, , and there can be a myriad of things that, that can hold us back. I mean, , sometimes it's fear of failure.

Sometimes it's fear of change. You're working around, you're working against your own biology of your brain that wants to keep you safe and comfortable and, and stuck in a pattern. , But I think I, I think when you look at, , fulfillment, it, I, I think of it or I've heard it talked about as like a three legged stool, and if one of those legs is off, , [00:19:00] then you're gonna feel out of whack.

, but there's three things to them. There's engagement. Do you feel engaged in something within your life? It doesn't have to be career, it could be anything. But do you have something in your life that really engages you, gives you joy, , that you get into that place of flow, uh, where time ceases to exist and you're really ingrained, you know, your tension is into something.

Self-care. Is the second one because if we're not looking after ourselves again, it leads to so many other things. , And self-care can be small. It can be are you going for a walk? Um, are you meditating? It could be are you having a massage once a month? Or it could be travel, it could be getting out of your comfort zone.

It could be, there could be a whole variety of things in there. , and the third is, are you giving back? And, and that doesn't have to mean are you. Giving money or volunteering, but do you feel like you are sharing and giving to others? , whether it's your experience, your expertise, but those three things, I think le leads to a fulfilling life.

And so, you know, [00:20:00] self-care is, is there, , so I think, I think having the conversation, I think talking to people about the things that are, that is that roadblock, , Is important. And so there's things that you can do right to help with that. Cuz if you don't have the right support system around you, you're gonna be, it's gonna be that much harder for you to make any change in your life.

, so I think you have to be really conscious of, of who are you inviting? To know about what you're thinking about, , who are you telling that change is something that you're thinking about and what you might wanna do next, because you don't want someone to, to poo poo that idea or shoot it down early on in, in the process, cuz then you'll never get it out of the gate.

So I think, you know, a support system, um, goes a long way to helping you feel. like you can do something, , and will be the people that , can be , your cheerleaders and help you celebrate the wins. , and so whether that's in a community, like what's next or whether that's just making sure you, you have the right people around you, um, and that [00:21:00] you're not sharing everything with everyone, , those are things that you can certainly do to help you feel more confident in putting yourself first.

Zach: I know anxiety and depression is like rampant in this, in, in the world, really. Mm-hmm. , do you, do you see a lot of people coming through there with, with those symptoms, with those diagnoses? And, and do you have, , I know I run high on the anxiety spectrum and Jeremy runs high on the depression spectrum, so , I'm just curious if there's.

You know, do you do, do you treat people a little bit differently? , do you need a different method with people who have, you know, some mental health issues, like anxiety or depression? Or is it, , tailored a little bit to each individual, but for the most part, the same program? For

Lauren: most part, it's the same program.

And, and I, I do certainly want people to know that I am, I am not a therapist. Yeah. And, and I, you know, do not prescribe medication. That's not my wheelhouse. And so I think for some people that that work needs to be done ahead of time. That, but when you get to that point [00:22:00] of feeling like, I have it enough under control that I'm ready to embark on having the next conversation on figuring out what I wanna do next, then, then that's when you'd interact with me.

, I certainly can talk about mindset. I've certainly learned a lot after working with a lot of people, but I, I certainly don't proclaim to be, you know, able to, to help people with depression or with anxiety. We can talk through it. It certainly is an environment where I'd, I would imagine that. You know, you're not the only one who's dealing with it and it, and should be a, a safe place to talk about it.

And if you're looking for strategies and what other people are doing to, to cope with those sorts of things, , then it, it would be a safe environment to, to talk about that. But it's certainly not a focus of the program. Sure. Um, because of my training and my background.

Zach: I would love to hear, , a success story or some, you know, some kind of story that you have around somebody who's gone through the program , and came out on the other side of it , with what's next. , and living their lives, you know, like you said, not, you know, doing [00:23:00] that thing forever, but that, that, that changed their lives. Do you have a, an example or two?

Lauren: , so I had, uh, I had a woman who'd worked for the same company for 30 years, loved the job, but really was ready to, to say goodbye, but just couldn't say goodbye.

Mm-hmm. It was time to, it was time for her to retire. , she didn't know how to push the go button on that, how to walk into her boss's office and, and say, you know, I'm giving him my notice and let's. Let's create the succession plan so that I can go in however many months. , and, you know, it took multiple conversations.

It took talking about really what would she like to do next? What are the things she imagines wanting to do in retirement? What does that look like and feel like? And how would, what does that mean for her relationship with her husband and her mo her mother who's still alive? To try and really give her a sense of , what is next, um, and to get excited about that, right?

So that you do feel like now's the time. , but it, it finally took saying, why didn't you go and speak to your financial advisor and see whether you [00:24:00] can. Financially do this right now for her to feel safe enough to actually do it. And so about a week after the program ended, she went and gave in her resignation.

, an another example would be a woman who'd chosen to take a, a package from, uh, a large corporation. And she was trying to decide whether she went and got the next position, which would've been a, a CMO position at a somewhat smaller company, or whether she was finally gonna. Pursue her dream of starting her own business.

Now, what really scared her about starting her own business was that her husband is an entrepreneur as well. And so she'd been, you know, this sort of stable money flow coming in. Mm-hmm. Uh, as his business would do better or de dip, depending on. What was going on in the economy. , but this was something that really was important to her.

, and there was definitely a fear and there is a fear for a lot of people who've been in corporate for a long time, didn't go out on their own. , and so through through talking about it, she finally got to the point of going, I wanted. Pursue a small business, [00:25:00] but I don't wanna do it by myself. And so she actually found a f a franchise, , coaching program that, that would give her the support that she needed so that she could kind of be in a hybrid situation of being her own business owner, having to get her own clients in, but supported by a program that she could go to.

Did she need help with any of the questions that a small business owner would have? , and so I think what's, what's great about. The program is that we do tailor, certainly it is tailored to each individual because everyone's coming in with a different challenge. , but really what my background, uh, and, and the central kind of, , process of, of what's next is really about how can we be creative?

How can we come up with an idea like, go and find the franchise. It's not necessarily go and just start the business on your own. Mm-hmm. So we do try to think about things from as many angles as we can, , and come up with the best plan for each individual because we all, we all have different fears and different roadblocks that that might [00:26:00] stop us from pursuing something.

So we've gotta find the, the best way in so that people feel as comfortable as you can feel with making a significant change in your life.

Zach: . What do you mean? There's no one size fits all when it comes to life? It's never,

Lauren: there is never,

Zach: ah, man, I've been living my whole life wrong. It is so intriguing , how you put that, like, I think, , I've had conversations recently with people, , mostly at work where. We're looking at a process or something that somebody's doing and, and we ask the question, Hey, why do we do that? And the answer sometimes is because we've always done it like that.

it's just not a good answer. Is it like it, I I, I feel like you should really be looking at, if you ever hear that answer, you should really be diving in, whether it's your personal life, work life. What are your thoughts on that?

Lauren: Uh, absolutely. I mean, I think , being creative about how you approach things is, is paramount.

I don't believe you should take anything, , at the first answer that comes. So we, we spend a lot of time peeling back that onion because, , The, the [00:27:00] first answer is, is really the right answer. It's just, it's just the thing that's kind of top of mind. Mm-hmm. So, you know, it, it really is about, uh, digging deeper and, and you said earlier, , how important vulnerability is, and I think, , you can be as vulnerable as you like with the group, but if you're not gonna be, you know, truly vulnerable with yourself, , you, you're not gonna get anywhere in the process because it takes a lot of energy to get yourself out of a, your sort of comfort zone and, and through all the way to your growth, your growth zone.

It, it takes energy and it takes, , , being honest with yourself. , and so, yeah, I think. I think that's where start right is, , you have to be honest , with what's important to you. To head in any direction. That makes sense.

Zach: One of the questions that I like to ask everyone is, you know, what advice would you give to somebody who is.

Looking for what's next? Or, or maybe they don't even know they're looking for what's next. , what advice would you give to somebody to, you know, take a small step right now in, in going down that road [00:28:00] to finding out what's next for them? And you can totally say work with you, but,

Lauren: well, I would love for them to work with me, but, , I think there's two things that come to mind.

One is I think you have to understand your why. So why are you, why are you trying to make a change? Um, and I think that if you can be as clear as possible on that, , you'll start to uncover kind of where you think your goal is. , so I think it's. , it's about peeling back to really what's, what is truly, , creating the desire to make change.

If you can start there, it'll, it'll help you then to better, , decide where you're trying to head to and what the plan is to get there, because are relatively easy things to do. , , once you've got the why, because the why becomes the motivation. Mm-hmm. The other, I think that's a simple thing to do, is really to curate what's going into your brain every day.

Be mindful of what you're watching, what you're reading, what you're listening to, how you start your day. If the first thing you do is pick up your cell phone in the morning and check your email or check [00:29:00] social, you've already set your brain into a way of thinking that's gonna, that's gonna impact the rest of your day.

So, if you're looking to make change in your life, Be be very mindful of the things that you're letting into, into your brain because you want a positive mindset. There's a lot of things that will get in the way and there'll be setbacks that happen as you're trying to pursue a goal. But if you can, really work to have a positive mindset, you'll be that much, like more likely to continue on the path if you have a setback or pick yourself up when it doesn't quite go the way you want.

, so I think that's imperative, , is really curating what goes into your brain every day.

Zach: In my head, all I see is the, the hundreds and hundreds of times where I've just felt like I needed to take a next step, and I'm just looking at a blank piece of paper and I don't know what to do.

I love how, , there's a program, there's a system to help people kind of walk that path. So if there's, , anyone listening who is like, oh, oh, that's me. And I would like to work with her. [00:30:00] How can people find you and how can people reach out to you?

Lauren: People can find me through my website, which is answer what's next.com.

, from there you can book a call. Uh, you can sign up for my newsletter if you wanna, you know, there's a weekly newsletter that goes out, so if you want some inspiration in your life and, and some tools that you can use, um, you can sign up for that. You can also find me through Facebook and Instagram. Um, the handles are onto what's next, so I'm pretty easy to find.

Jeremy: , and our thanks to Lauren St. George from the What's Next Program. You can find links to her and her work in the show notes for this episode@fitmess.com.

Like so many conversations we have here and on other show, Zach, uh, it all starts with why. What is the reason that you wanna make the change that you want to implement in your life?

Zach: It is truly important for us to understand. I. What drives us, what motivates us? , what that internal thing is. Cuz otherwise, motivation won't come if you understand your why, that's, that's how you drive that motivation. That's how you do the next thing.

Jeremy: . A lot of that is fed by what we feed our mind too. , the podcast you listen to the [00:31:00] TV you're watching when you should be doing other things. What are you telling yourself? What information are you putting into your own mind to help you drive forward toward those goals? It's just, it's, it's a key piece of the, of this whole puzzle.

Zach: And then the last thing is like, are you giving back? Are you paying it forward? Are you taking what you've learned and helping somebody else get around the next bend? , it doesn't have to be money, doesn't have to be volunteering. Uh, it just has to be like paying it forward in some way, shape, or form.

Jeremy: So with that, we're gonna wrap up this episode of The Fit Mess. Thank you so much for listening, or thanks again to Lauren St. George for being here we'll go into more detail on all of this and expand on all of these topics in our next newsletter. I hope that you will sign up for that. You can do so@thefitmess.com. That's where we will be back In just a few days with a brand new episode. Thanks for listening.

Zach: See everyone. [00:32:00]