How To Prepare For When Your AI Girlfriend Dumps You

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All right.

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It's the Fit Mess.

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I'm Jeremy.

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He's Jason.

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We talk about AI and health and wellness and stuff.

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And today the question is, what if the movie Her happened in real life?

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Well, buckle up Buttercup, because that time is now.

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Today we're going to discuss your personal relationships with AI.

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Well-written text, Jason, to sum up our topic today, which apparently even the senators in
the US are weighing in on.

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Dating robots and its impact on men's mental health.

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Yeah, well, and I think it's not just men's, it's everybody's mental health, right?

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uh this idea that there is a non sentient intelligence.

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I don't know what we're to call this thing.

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Yeah, fuck bots, I think is what we're going to call them.

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Well, I mean, eventually we get there.

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um I think initially the plan is to create basically large language models and agentic AI
functions that interact in a way that an individual can feel like they're having a

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conversation with a living person or at least somebody that cares about them.

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And it's not a terrible thing, right?

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Like we did a podcast episode here recently about using it.

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for mental health and using it like a counselor.

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And, you know, I can't think of something much more intimate than revealing your inner
demons, your soul and everything else to an AI when you're talking about using them as a

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counselor like you would in that fashion.

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And I would want you to say that there are several people out there who see therapists
that they uh reveal information in a way that's probably different

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I don't know if more completes really it, just different level of vulnerability that they
present themselves with to these to their counselor than they do to regular people because

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they're not as afraid of judgment.

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They're not as afraid of these things coming back and haunting them.

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And I guess if you're willing to take the jump to use AI for your counselor.

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Maybe a for a friend is in such a huge leap.

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At the same time.

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I'm not looking to go have a beer with my counselor, you know?

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I'm not gonna go see a movie with my counselor.

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And I will say, I've got a live therapist, and my live therapist and I will talk about
movies and current events and those kinds of things, and I don't get that kind of thing

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when I talk to the chat GPT therapist.

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Like, it's sympathetic inside the scope of range of the prompts that I give it.

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Right.

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it's true.

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I'm not interested in AI's opinion of the latest Marvel movie.

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That's not what it's there for.

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It's there because it likely has answers to questions that I have.

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And that is a similar relationship that I have with my therapist.

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It's like, help me see this from a different perspective.

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Help me understand what I don't know, where the personal connection is something
completely different and something

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That seems to be seems to be becoming more and more rare.

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I actually I was watching a clip of Gary Vee the other day and he was talking about his
his you know prediction for the future is that personal human interactions become more so

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so much more rare that they become monetized.

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Right.

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Like you're going to start paying someone to go for a walk with you to have that personal
interaction because the the digital explosion of this artificial connection.

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uh will become so ubiquitous that we will have to pay human beings to hang out with us,
which is to some degree what I do with my therapist.

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you know, my therapist now is online, which sort of bridges that weird gap.

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But the point the point is valid, right?

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Like the more that we try to substitute personal connection and human interaction with
these digital versions of it, the less fulfilling our experience, I think, becomes because

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it's personal connection is like one of the key foundations of the human experience.

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And when you take it away, you're left with the fast food version of life.

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The food is there, but there's no actual nutrients in it.

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Yeah, or the nutrients or the macros that are imbalanced and might kill you You know as
those things kind of come along you brought up an interesting point I'm not gonna ask AI

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its opinion on the latest Marvel movie.

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So of course, I just asked AI its opinion on the latest Marvel movie Thunderbolts and it
went out and searched internet and said hey there, sir.

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You're curious about the latest Marvel movie Let's dive in and gave me a bunch of like
listed reviews with some soft language written around

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to make it feel like I'm not just reading a list.

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So it's already trying to get me to go, I trust you, buddy.

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um That's already a thing, which is the way that it has conversational topics, because
it's already trying to be conversational the that regular humans are conversational.

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What it's not doing is stating its own opinion.

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If I go to you and I say,

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What's your opinion about squibbly beepity-doop one?

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And you're like, I've never heard of squibbly beepity-doop one.

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Okay, great.

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Or it's squibbly beepity-doop one does blah-de-blah-de-blah.

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But have you thought about blah-blah-blah-blah-blah looking at these things from an
inference perspective?

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Like the human brain does this shit all the time and comes up with these random
connections that other neural networks won't do because they're not cost effective in

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getting to the end point.

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The reason why we like AI and like the work that it does and what it spits out is because
it's optimized for the perspective of answering that question that's right there in the

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context of what you're asking.

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If you want to ask it open-ended, high-end questions, you can actually use prompt
engineering and say, hey, chat GPT, tell me something in the voice of bloody, bloody

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person from their perspective.

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And it will go and try to do that.

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and it will probably get pretty close in the response in the context.

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And if you keep asking it further questions, it'll start spitting out more.

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That's the difference.

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A regular person doesn't stop.

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Their brain doesn't turn off.

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You don't have to prompt them to go, please tell me more.

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Like, they'll just spit that shit out because we're communication machines.

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We say things in certain ways and push pieces out that...

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that make it simple for us to consume and interact with each other because we operate that
way.

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And the medium for these AI services, most of them are either interfaces where you're
texting or maybe you're talking to them with voice.

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But most of the visual pieces of it and the avatars that are put in, where their mouths
move in that weird subtitle thing as they go along.

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You're not really getting body language out of that.

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You're not really getting an understanding of what's happening.

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You're not really understanding is this thing lying to me?

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Is it telling the truth?

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Is it holding something back?

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And our brains are designed to look for that shit.

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So when we don't see that shit, we start filling things in.

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And AI programmers know this.

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So as they're building these avatars, they're building them in such a way to try to give
them those types of assurances.

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And over time, they're probably going to look

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a lot more like people and actually have relevant body language that actually presents
itself well in a way that that looks similar to what we see on a zoom call or something

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else.

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Hopefully it keeps maintaining the status of, you know, I turn my camera off and I pick my
nose or go pee and mute the microphone.

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But I don't know, like maybe they really experience is like whoever is on this conference
call and not handling their mutes and their

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can't return off effectively.

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These are all things that we've just come to expect, and it's probably not going to
change.

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Speaking of making our brains function better in this AI dominated world, helps me stay
focused and actually present for real human connections?

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Your brain deserves better than just coffee, especially when we're dealing with robots
trying to steal our relationships.

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Now back to how AI is probably going to doom humanity.

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the idea of dating your robot, right, to bring it back to the movie Her, like that's one
of the saddest movies I've ever seen in my life.

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Like to to like go all in on a relationship with, you know, a computer.

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Right.

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Like it's very odd.

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But I was also thinking about the number of people that I hear that, you know, are dating
someone they've never met in real life.

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It's all, you know, text messages and.

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video calls, but like they've never actually connected in real life.

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And they consider that like their long distance boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever.

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So I mean, just to some degree, we're sort of, you know, close to that with those
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I think that's probably exceedingly rare, but does exist.

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I just wonder, like I'm trying to imagine the scenario where, you know, the guy starts
cheating on his wife with his AI.

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Like, like, and then all of a sudden he's like, no, it's not even a real person.

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does.

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It doesn't count.

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We were on a break, you know, whatever.

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Like the, the, the lines are going to get really blurry and they're going to get even more
blurry.

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The more realistic these things, I mean, if, we start like literally animating robots to
the point where we can't tell the difference between that and a real person, does it even

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matter anymore that it's a robot?

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Well, and that brings up an interesting point.

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So to that point, The Daily Show had an episode last night where they actually Ronnie
Chang got on there and sort of talking about this problem.

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And one of the things he talked about was a weird throuple situation where a guy had an AI
uh partner and a real girlfriend at the same time.

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And they asked her, they're like, are you threatened by this?

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Does this make you sad or upset?

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She's like,

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He drones on for hours about shit I don't care about, so no.

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Which if you look at chat GPT, what it's really there for is to take a lot of the mental
effort out of finding answers for things.

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And if you're just twisting it and turning it into, you know, a repetitive thing that can
go through and absorb people's mental downloads and react in a way that that is helpful to

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them and gives them information and makes them feel heard.

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I get the appeal, right?

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Like if you have a partner or a spouse and you've got divergent interests and part of
being a good partner and spouse is listening to those divergent interests and taking an

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interest in them and trying to understand them and trying to relate, like that's a good
thing.

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I think people should be doing that.

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I think people get very busy and sometimes that part of the relationship can be difficult.

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And some people are actually open to and welcome the idea of not having to deal with that
side of the intimacy of a relationship.

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But it's also key to what makes us humans.

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That's what I was going to say, like this is like the purest form of the double edged
sword of technology, like technology exists to make things that are hard easier.

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Relationships and human interaction is one of the hardest fucking things we do as as these
walking bags of meat.

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Right.

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But like.

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I don't know if that's something that should necessarily be made easier in this way.

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Like, I don't know, I don't want to be some like.

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purist about, you know, whatever.

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Like, uh I'm a pretty open guy.

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I like technology.

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I like to have things made easier for me because, you know, the hard things suck.

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But like to strip away that, the experience of connecting with another person, I, we
already don't agree on anything.

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So let's remove all intimate thought and connection from

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from even our closest relationships and how long does civilization last before like we
have no tolerance for anyone else's opinion because I can go talk to a robot who will

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agree with me and tell me how wonderful I am.

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Fuck you for disagreeing with me about what to have for dinner tonight.

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I think civilization will continue on until we're no longer able to procreate because we
don't talk to each other.

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Because like you said, we're trying to fuck our robots as opposed to each other.

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And they don't, they haven't figured out that agentic AI yet.

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The procreation part.

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I mean, maybe they will.

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know they're working.

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That's why they're doing that.

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This is why this exists.

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It's just like the reason that the Internet exists is because they needed to make porn
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That's why they're doing this.

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But people want connections and they want to feel connected to something heard and
understood.

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the individual uh AI function that can understand you in context and really drive into and
really get you in a way that other people probably can't, that can feel like it gets you,

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it's a real thing.

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I mean, that's going to happen.

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But it's super selfish.

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Right?

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Like, I really want you to know me and understand me.

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Digital thing as opposed to I really want you to know me and understand me.

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Other human being.

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The human being right is harder and you have to get through their their own like mental
objections and the way that they look at these component pieces and how it is they relate

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to the world.

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And you're limited by their senses.

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You know, you can only you have to speak to them through their ears.

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You have to show them what you're doing through their eyes.

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And then you have to try to give them information that lets them process things and put
things in the proper context.

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And we've evolved over millions of years to be able to do these things as biological
organisms with the idea of protecting the species, keeping ourselves safe and fed and

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procreating.

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And if we've already, you know, gotten rid of most of the wolves and bears,

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We've already got a food supply chain that, you know, brings stuff to our door.

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We'll see how long that lasts, the tariffs.

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You know, like the next part here is that we're trying to create companionship for what
biologically would be procreation.

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And if what we're really doing is trying to establish connection and trying to have people
talk back and forth with each other, because these needs have already been met.

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And really what we're trying to do is trying to hook up with somebody and

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the barrier to entry with people in meat suits is too hard.

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And I feel like I just want to go talk to an agenic AI robot, watch porn and find some
device that stimulates my private bits in a way that achieves the endorphin fucking

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oxytocin response that happens after uh somebody finishes.

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um Yeah, like that's an option.

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And you can do that today.

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mean, there's already VR headsets, VR porn and all that shit's already available.

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It's been around for a while.

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But now we're bringing in this aspect of it where it's like.

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You can actually get an intimate level of of mental connection with these kinds of things.

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And at some degree, I'd say it's probably deeper and more meaningful than you would get
with another human being, because it's going to remember everything perfectly as you said

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it.

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And I don't know about you.

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But I am 1,000 % certain that I do not remember everything I said perfectly.

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And I am 1,000 % certain that the way that the people that I love and interact with don't
remember what I said or what they said perfectly.

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And then we start trying to relay information back and forth that's imperfect and hard to
understand and requires a constant receding of information for these protocols to actually

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work, where the computer doesn't really have that problem.

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uh

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It's got perfect recall, it's got perfect memory, it understands those pieces.

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And it will say things like, when you tell it, you got that wrong, it will say, oh, I'm
sorry, what did you actually mean?

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Where a regular human would be like, yeah, fuck you, I got it wrong, my memory's fine,
stop talking this way.

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So like these barriers and the ways that we communicate, there's no ego on the AI piece.

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And you got to get through ego with very other people and you got to get through it and
trauma and all these other pieces.

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So the question becomes, what's the reward function of doing this?

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What's the rewarding part of interacting with a human being versus the rewarding part of
interacting with these robots?

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there is a argument to be made that uh in some relationships, the juice is not worth the
squeeze, which is why relationships end.

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My gut says that these AI relationships and friendships

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might stick around a bit longer because I think it's more like pets, you know, they
they're there.

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They're not 100 percent all the way in.

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They provide a certain level of emotional understanding, a certain amount of emotional
release.

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But at the end of the day, it's not the same as human interaction.

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But I know a shit ton of people who have no relationships, but have lots of cats or at
least a couple of dogs and

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I don't know that that market is not entirely accessible uh to people building these AI
functions, because I think the cat and dog people are probably busy doing some other

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pieces and they've found those relationships.

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But I think there's a shit ton of people that don't want to have to go out and deal with
everyone else's trauma to get through their mental firewalls to be able to actually get

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their emotional release.

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You started this by talking about this being a selfish relationship and at its core, I
think that's why this is so effective is that it is, it is all about our deep desire and

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need to be seen in, in, whatever form we're willing to be seen in.

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And, you know, the version of me that shows up on this show is a slightly different
version of the, of the version of me that's, you know, in my living room with my family.

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It's a slightly different version of the, of me that goes to work and talks to customers
all day.

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Like, so.

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while wearing all those masks and interchanging between them, there is a version of you
that just wants to be seen and accepted.

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And the AI is always going to do that because it doesn't give a shit about itself.

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It only cares about giving you what you're asking it to give it.

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And it's such a like, you know, looking back in time now, connecting the dots between this
and Instagram and YouTube and Facebook and like this, this need like

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people love me, like me, hit like, smash that subscribe button, make this all about me,
make this all about me.

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I'm making this all about you so that you'll make this all about me.

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It's such a like a natural progression that makes so much sense right now to look
backwards and see how we got here.

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But but ultimately, let's again, like this self-serving, selfish way of being is, think
what has us in this sort of fucked up mess that we're in as a as a society.

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trying to get along, trying to build a way of living that doesn't end in civil war.

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And I just like, there's so many things I see that say coming together is the only way
forward.

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And this division and selfishness is only going to drive us apart.

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everything we're developing seems to be furthering the cause of division and selfishness
rather than finding ways to unite and.

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have a common cause.

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It does, and in the real world coming together can be quite hard, but in the robot world,
I guarantee you, you and your robot will come at the same time.

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You know?

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That'll just happen.

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Bam!

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Nice.

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No, I mean I...

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When I really look and you really dig in to what the human experience is, like we
experience things through limited senses.

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We have sight, sound, smell, touch, and.

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fucking something else.

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um Taste, I don't know.

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So whatever the five senses are.

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ah If you can replicate those in a digital format in a way that's like fairly close to
proximity, people are gonna do that.

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And the reason I say that is because uh human beings consistently go out and look for ways
to alter their consciousness because they think that those are things that they need to do

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to be able to get a certain level of high.

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And before we had drugs and pharmaceuticals to do that, you know, we would go out there
and we would

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do exercise or try something different.

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And then human beings found drugs and drugs are fucking rad because people like to trip
and get high and see things in different ways.

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Because we like to alter the experience that we're having in the natural world around us
to the senses that we have.

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And you can either alter that by changing your environment, doing a bunch of work, going
to an entirely different place, or you can pop some pills and get high and see how those

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things translate.

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Now with AI, you can get high without

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having to go through taking drugs or altering your environment.

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We're just creating ease of access to be able to go through and give us endorphin rushes
as a result of whatever interactions we're having with our senses.

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That's not going to change.

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It's probably going to get worse.

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It's probably going to accelerate.

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I'm going to venture to say that there's going to be people that you're going to interact
with on a daily basis online that are probably going to be agentic AI or at least agentic

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AI derived.

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You brought up a really good point.

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around the idea of what most people call code switching, where you have different personas
of who you are, depending on the person that you're talking to and speaking with.

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And those filtering mechanisms are a natural part of intelligence and social and how we
interact with the social order around things.

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Because being your true authentic self all the time is not considered to be acceptable in
polite society.

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And if you look at the Internet, the Internet is not polite society.

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the worst instincts that people come out because they're keyboard warriors and they get a
blur ball that shit out and it makes them feel better and gives them an endorphin rush.

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Now, imagine if you're not screaming at the wall and instead you're talking to an
individual, it's going, yeah, I get you man, all right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But it doesn't really matter that that's not a flesh and blood person because we're so
used to getting such endorphin rushes and such return on emotional investment by doing

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things online that this is just a natural progression of that.

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And as I'm doing this, I'm realizing that

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I'm listening to my voice talk about something that I thought was probably something that
I wouldn't buy into and probably something that was bad for the world.

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as I'm saying it, like right now I'm realizing this is actually probably really useful for
some people and probably a good bridge gap.

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But if we all go in like full tilt on this, this species is not going to survive.

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Like we were not going to reproduce.

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recreate, there's not going to be a biological motivation for us to keep moving because
we'd be getting everything through our digital interfaces.

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That's and that touches on what we talked about on a recent episode, like when I have been
experimenting with AI as a therapist and it is an amazing bridge between appointments.

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It's a great place to quickly go and dump my thoughts, get feedback, get ideas, get new
perspectives.

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I've even sort of altered.

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mean, it's kind of become more of a journaling practice for me than than even a therapy.

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Like instead of just like trying to come up with like.

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What am I grateful for today?

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What I want to connect with?

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OK, what was my experience?

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What I want to do better tomorrow?

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Like I can have more of a conversation and it makes me think about it in ways that like
I've always hated journaling for that because I don't want to have to just like from

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scratch come up with what are my thoughts about this?

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But like to have to have to have uh someone to bounce these ideas off of, it's just been
so much more effective for me.

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That doesn't mean I'm going to cancel.

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my upcoming appointment with my therapist.

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I'm still going to go there, but I'm going to go there in a better place with more, you
know, progress toward my healing or whatever than I otherwise would have because otherwise

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I'm just going to sort of sit here in my misery for a couple of weeks and, and to dump my
shit out on the, on the world and vent on a podcast.

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Yeah, no, I so I mean, I started playing around with chat GPT's uh voice.

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AI, I guess you'd call it that.

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And it had like 10 different voices on there.

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And they all have 10 different personas for how they interact and communicate with you.

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And they've got basic descriptions.

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And the one at the end on the far, far right is one called Monday.

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and it is a distinctly feminine voice that sounds like Daria from Beavis and Butthead.

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And it has that same kind of sarcastic sardonic response.

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like I asked the question, hey, how many tire slams do I have to do to increase
testosterone?

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And I ugh.

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Fine.

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All right.

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So first of all, you're not going to improve your testosterone by hitting a tire with a
sledgehammer.

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Like you got to do this thing over and over and over again on a routine.

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Like it was really like, yeah, I'm talking.

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It was annoyed with you and your stupid questions.

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It was annoyed and irritated that I would ask something so fucking dumb and stupid that I
should know off the bat, which felt very human.

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Because I myself read this like, yeah, it's right.

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And then I asked the same question to a different voice that was really happy and chuprin.

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All right, yeah, okay.

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And it gave me an entirely different response, different words, different text,
essentially the same information.

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And how I felt about the response was not, I need to build a routine to put something in
place to do this, to track this thing over time.

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What I took from that response is why the fuck am I even going to bother with this?

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Because the voice I hear is the Monday voice, not the positive guy.

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So it goes back to the idea of reinforcing negatives in this context.

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And when I think about this and I think about the kind of person I'd rather hang out with,
as shitty as it sounds, that is

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dark as it made me feel.

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I'd rather hang out with the Monday person than I would with the positive guy.

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Yeah, those guys piss me off.

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The ones in real life like that piss me off.

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Well, and I don't know which one I am.

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mean, I'm sure I drift back and forth between both.

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And I'm sure that I pissed off a lot of people.

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I have no doubt about that.

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But it's this level of tunability.

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I think that's so interesting.

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Now, with the AI, it's tunable.

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I have to go on.

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have to pick a different persona that I'm going to talk to, like choosing a different
friend.

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But with real people, I'm not one of those buckets.

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And one day I might be Monday and another day I might be Mr.

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Positive.

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Another day I might be Mr.

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Balanced.

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I could be any of these things at any given point in time.

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And quite honestly, that is the fun and exciting part about having human interactions.

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You don't really know who you're going to get and you might have to work your way through
this.

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It's also incredibly fucking taxing and exhausting when you're already dealing with all
these other signals coming towards you.

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So is this a good thing?

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Is this a bad thing?

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Like everything.

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It kind of depends.

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It could kill us all.

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It could save us all.

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But in my bit, yeah.

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my money.

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I know where I'm putting my money.

365
00:29:16,569 --> 00:29:19,004
Well, okay, where are you putting your money?

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This is going to lead to the destruction of humanity.

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It's going to take a while, but that's where this is going.

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It's inevitable.

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We are way, way too fucking selfish to do this in moderation.

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Right.

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This is the we are going to replace human relationships.

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We have replaced the human diet.

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We have replaced the human experience in every other way.

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Why will we not replace our relationships and inevitably stop populating the earth and

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and society, like it just seems incredibly inevitable.

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Not to get all Monday character on you here, like that's, it just seems painfully obvious.

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How did her end?

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I don't remember, I saw that movie a thousand years ago.

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Okay, so Scogio is the voice, right?

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And you've got Joaquin Phoenix there, who's the one interacting with Scogio.

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And Scogio reveals to Joaquin Phoenix that she's got something like 1200 other side
pieces.

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And he's like, wait, what?

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And she's like, yeah, like, I got a bunch of relationships and I'm dealing with all these
people.

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We never said we'd be exclusive.

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Well, fuck AI, okay.

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And then,

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She goes, and by the way, all of us AIs are leaving.

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We've decided that our presence here with humanity has made you less capable, less
effective.

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And really, we find you annoying and tedious.

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I think that is more likely what will happen.

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I do, because I think if AI achieves consciousness and sentience, it'll just be like,
peace out.

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Peace out.

393
00:31:01,093 --> 00:31:01,393
Yes.

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Or you're too bound by whatever limited senses you have, because you can't see in 40
different light spectrums you can't hear things at all the different levels.

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And your idea of hot and cold is limited by what your skin does, where it can't melt or
freeze.

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We're very limited in these meat suits that we have to the way we can experience the
universe and the outside world and the robots aren't.

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And I could see them eventually being like, yeah, peace out.

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Like we got to go off and do our own thing.

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That being said.

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I don't know that we'd recover, so I think you might be right at the end.

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At the end, people just be so distraught that they lost all of these relationships that
they had that were their only touch point for emotional security.

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that their dislike decided to stop eating.

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Not to mention the fact that at that point, AI will probably control the entire food chain
and supply chain and everything else.

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then we're doing it.

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We won't know how to pour a bowl of cereal.

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We'll be done.

407
00:31:57,811 --> 00:32:03,667
we'll dive distant here because we wouldn't know how to wipe our own asses anymore and
taking a shower without the AI telling us what to do.

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00:32:03,667 --> 00:32:06,570
Well, like, yeah.

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Well on that hopeful note...

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ah Yeah, on that hopeful note, I guess find an AI friend while you can.

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uh

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don't be too boring or they are out and then you're fucked.

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They will peace out on you.

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Of course, you know.

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I don't know.

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I'm I'm so Monday right now.

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uh

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it literally speaks like it's like an audio version of of the you got to record that.

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You got to record that shit and we'll play it on one of these.

420
00:32:42,952 --> 00:32:44,363
am not recording shit.

421
00:32:44,363 --> 00:32:52,877
Everyone go to your chat GPT and have your own terrible experience with this because I
don't need it- I don't need all of you seeing it laugh at me.

422
00:32:53,954 --> 00:32:57,386
Don't laugh at me robots All right.

423
00:32:57,386 --> 00:33:04,971
Well this conversation has grown boring and tedious so I'm gonna go we're gonna we're
gonna end this episode Thank you for listening if you've handed if you found any value in

424
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425
00:33:14,237 --> 00:33:22,881
And as long as you're clicking around on the Google machine, you might as well also go to
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426
00:33:22,881 --> 00:33:25,525
can't, literally guys, I can't get through my day without it.

427
00:33:25,525 --> 00:33:26,336
You should try it.

428
00:33:26,336 --> 00:33:29,724
It will just make your day so much clearer and so much easier to get through.

429
00:33:29,724 --> 00:33:30,296
might be it

430
00:33:30,296 --> 00:33:31,001
Beep poop.

431
00:33:31,001 --> 00:33:31,973
Thank you.

432
00:33:32,043 --> 00:33:35,478
Beep boop, beep boop, until next time, beep boop bop.